Sunday, October 30, 2016

Obadiah 1:7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; that they eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.  Obadiah
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NEW- In this small book- 1 chapter- we read of the judgment of God upon Edom.
They were a people that felt like they were unstoppable.
The alliances they made were their downfall.
As I read the book the other night- it made me think about our present situation.
Let’s see if I can hit some high points.
We have an alliance with Iran- they are ‘helping’ us defeat ‘terrorism’ in Syria and Iraq.
Yet- they sponsor and carry out acts of terror themselves.
We made a nuclear peace accord with them- which released millions [billions over time]  of dollars.
How are they using that money?
They provide rockets for the rebels they back in Yemen- and those same rebels fired at our ships the past 2 weeks.
We have an alliance with Turkey- we use their air base to attack Syria.
Turkey just killed a bunch of the rebels we are backing in Syria.
Yes- our ‘partner’ killed our other ‘partners’- who themselves do acts of terror.
Yes- many of the so called rebels the U.S. backs in Syria- are actually no better than ISIS.
Sad indeed.
I watched a news clip the other week- it showed the out of work coal miners- and how they are rightfully mad because Hilary Clinton and president Obama said- on video- they will put them out of work.
Ok- I understand their view- though I do not agree with it.
They believe they need to put the coal industry out of business- for the sake of global warming.
They said it- many times.
Hillary has now denied she meant it- which is a lie.
Not only did they say this- but it happened.
Some lost their homes- went into debt- and yes- some actually lost all hope and killed themselves.
So- on the news they tried to show how Obama [and Hillary] have actually provided other jobs for them.
As I watched- they showed an ex coal miner- who’s new job was working at the unemployment office- providing food stamps and welfare benefits for other unemployed co-workers.
Yes- this was actually promoted as the success of the Hillary policy.
I could go on- but it just gets me mad.
In the condemnation of Edom- they saw themselves as doing great- they even gloated that others were not as great as them [called exceptionalism].
Yet- they could not see that they too were headed for a downfall.
They could not see that their so called alliances were a joke.
They could not see [admit] that they made bad choices- and were headed for judgment.
I love our country- but when we have one of our soldier’s die- for a political maneuver- which has just happened in the so called taking back of Mosul.
Then it’s wrong.
The only justification for war- is self-defense [or the real preventing of genocide and the slaughter of many innocents]
And in the last decade we have had many people die- on both sides- because of political maneuvering.
I have been hearing the old Ozzy song a lot the last few years.
War pigs.
I used to hear it as a kid- had the vinyl album.
But I noticed it’s getting a lot of air time on many of the rock stations.
I think it has to do with the time we are living in.
If you never heard it- go listen to it.
It seems quite prophetic.
Obadiah 1:1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.
Obadiah 1:2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.
Obadiah 1:3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?
Obadiah 1:4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.
Obadiah 1:5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?
Obadiah 1:6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!
Obadiah 1:7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; that they eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.
Obadiah 1:8 Shall I not in that day, saith the LORD, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?
Obadiah 1:9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.
Obadiah 1:10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.
Obadiah 1:11 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them.
Obadiah 1:12 But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress.
Obadiah 1:13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity;
Obadiah 1:14 Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.
Obadiah 1:15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.
Obadiah 1:16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.
Obadiah 1:17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.
Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
Obadiah 1:19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead.
Obadiah 1:20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.
Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD's.

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Friday, October 28, 2016

ANTI- CHRIST- [Church Unlimited notes- 2nd- 3rd John]
3John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.  anti- Christ [2nd, 3rd John]
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PAST LINKS [verses below]
Gematria- a common use at the time John wrote- which gives each letter of the Hebrew alphabet a numerical value.
Nero Caesar[ 1st century emperor] equals 666.
1-Made people worship him- as God [2Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.]

2-Castrated a boy- named Sporus- then married him.
3-Put tar on Christians- set them on fire and used them as human torches.
Nero ruled as emperor and persecuted the early church- his rule led up to the destruction of the Jewish temple in a.d. 70.
The predictions Jesus gave to his apostles about the destruction of Jerusalem and a great time of wrath [or tribulation] can indeed be seen as having happened during the 1st century.
Many people believed Nero to be the fulfillment of the anti-Christ that the New Testament speaks of.
John the apostle wrote that ‘anti-Christ’ were those who denied Jesus- at the time of his writing [1st century].
John- who wrote Revelation- said ‘the mind that has wisdom’ will figure out who he is talking about.
John sent this letter to actual Christians living in the 1st century.
You would expect that the readers of the letter would have some clue to who he was talking about.
As we go thru Revelation- my intent is not to cover [and debate] all the various views on all the verses in this book.
I simply show you this view [which I think is about the best one out there] Because we live in a day where many of the ‘end times’ teachings seemed to be consumed with a future leader [a famous preacher just prophesied ‘the anti-Christ is here’ the other day] who is still to come-
And that this will set off a cascade of events [most see these events as prophesied in Revelation- and sort of see it as a play book].
So- it is quite possible that the anti-Christ was Nero-
And yes- we live in a wicked world- and sure- we might/will continue to see men ‘rise’ and do wicked things.
But when Paul and John wrote- in the first century- warning the believers about a wicked ruler who would do bad things-
I think it would have been a disservice if he were speaking about a leader- who would not show up- until at least 2 thousand years later.

BELOW- I pasted some various views here- just to give you a flavor of the different ways Christians view some of these things.
At the end I also added some of the passages I talk about on the video.

Here’s a quote from St. Augustine- an early Christian leader- referring to the verse I pasted from 2nd Thessalonians-
"Some think that the Apostle Paul referred to the Roman empire, and that he was unwilling to use language more explicit, lest he should incur the calumnious charge of wishing ill to the empire which it was hoped would be eternal; so that in saying, 'For the mystery of iniquity doth already work,' he alluded to Nero, whose deeds already seemed to be as the deeds of Antichrist. And hence some suppose that he shall rise again and be Antichrist. Others, again, suppose that he is not even dead, but that he was concealed that he might be supposed to have been killed, and that he now lives in concealment in the vigor of that same age which he had reached when he was believed to have perished, and will live until he is revealed in his own time and restored to his kingdom. But I wonder that men can be so audacious in their conjectures" (De Civitate Dei, XX.19.3).

I pasted this from another site-
In both ancient Greek and Hebrew, letters also represented numerals (as they do in Latin), their values assigned according to the order of the alphabet, alpha and aelph, for example, having the numerical value of 1. By adding these values, words could be represented as the sum of their numbers. This literation of numbers and numeration of letters was known as isopsephism by the Greeks and gematria by the Jews (which, in cabalistic practice, has been used to interpret Hebrew scripture). If the Greek spelling of Nero Caesar (Neron Kaisar) is transliterated into Hebrew (nrwn qsr), the numerical equivalent is 666.
What is curious, however, is not so much that 666 can be decoded to signify Nero but that the name of the emperor is encoded in this particular number, especially since it could have been represented more readily in other ways. If "Nero" is retained in Greek, for example, the numeration would be 955 or, if "Neron," 1005; in Hebrew, then 256 or 306, respectively. It only is when the words are transliterated into Hebrew that the numeration adds up to 666 (nrwn qsr, 50 + 200 + 6 + 50 + 100 + 60 + 200). Even so, this is an alternate spelling, a letter in "Neron" being transliterated (nrwn instead of nrw) but not in "Caesar" (qsr instead of qysr), although these forms do appear in both the Talmud and a contemporary Aramaic scroll from Qumran. It is intriguing, therefore, that 666 encodes the name of Nero in Hebrew when Revelation, itself, was written in Greek.
One should appreciate, too, that there were no numbers in Greek or Hebrew and that the "the number of the beast" was not presented as a figure but as letters of the alphabet or written in full. That is to say, it was not expressed as "666" (indeed, discrete Arabic numerals would not be invented for another five hundred years) but as the numerical values of the three letters representing 600, 60, and 6.
For Watt, the significance of 666 is that its expression in Latin is the sequential Roman numerals DCLXVI, which parallels but is the antithesis of the "Alpha and Omega" that John uses to characterize both Christ (22:13) and God (1:8, 21:6). As the Deity represents the beginning and end, so the Antichrist is a reversal of the first and last, D (500) preceding I (1). To phrase this another way, 666 (or rather DCLXVI) signifies the Antichrist because that number signifies Nero, and Nero—who was a matricide, proclaimed his divinity on Egyptian coins as the "Savior and Benefactor of the World," and the first emperor to persecute the Christians—signifies the Antichrist. Indeed, the procurator of Judea (c. AD 60) refers to Nero as "my lord" (kyrios), the same title applied to Jesus (Acts 25:26).
If the Latin (rather than the Greek) spelling "Nero Caesar" (above) is transliterated into Hebrew (nrw qsr), the final "n" in Neron being omitted (and its corresponding value of 50), the name computes as 616, which is the number indicated in the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament (the fragment illustrated below). If, instead, "Neron Caesar" is correct, it may be that the Latin was transcribed incorrectly, perhaps because the copyist realized that this transliteration did not equate to 666 and so omitted the letter, which changed the sum to 616.
Still, each digit of 666 is one less than seven, the perfect number, and such mathematical play may have tended to establish 666, rather than 616. Regardless of the number, Nero is the only name that can account for both 666 and 616, which is the most compelling argument that he, and not some other emperor, such as Caligula or Domitian, was intended. Too, for the number to have any significance for a reader of the first century AD, it would have to refer to a contemporary historical figure.
Writing a century later, Irenaeus is the first church father to comment on the number of the beast, although he apparently was ignorant of what the number actually encoded. Nor is he correct in assuming that John's vision occurred "almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign" (Adversus Haereses, V.30.3; a tradition repeated by Eusebius in his Ecclesiastical History, III.18.3, and by the church fathers), which is to say sometime before AD 96, when the emperor was assassinated and just a few years before John himself died of old age. Rather, his presumed banishment to Patmos (where Revelation was written) seems to have occurred almost thirty years earlier, toward the end of Nero's reign and before the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70, which John otherwise would have mentioned.
For Irenaeus, 666 was correct. The Antichrist "sums up in his own person all the commixture of wickedness which took place previous to the deluge....and also sums up every error of devised idols since the flood" (V.29.2). The flood came in the six hundredth year of Noah and the golden image set up by Nebuchadnezzar (who Shadrach, Meshach, and Bednego refused to worship) was sixty cubits high and six cubits wide (Daniel 3:1ff). This being the case and "this number being found in all the most approved and ancient copies....I do not know how it is that some have erred following the ordinary mode of speech, and have vitiated the middle number [L] in the name, deducting the amount of fifty from it, so that instead of six decads they will have it that there is but one" (V.30.1).
Nero, too, was the sixth emperor, counting from Julius Caesar (as did Suetonius, for example, and Josephus, cf. Antiquities of the Jews, XVIII.2.2, where Tiberius is identified as the third). "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come" (Revelation 17:9-10). Of these emperors, it is Nero who had been "wounded to death" but "his deadly wound was healed" and he still lived (13:3)—Nero redivivus.
St. Jerome-"As for the Antichrist, there is no question but what he is going to fight against the holy covenant, and that when he first makes war against the king of Egypt, he shall straightway be frightened off by the assistance of the Romans. But these events were typically prefigured under Antiochus Epiphanes, so that this abominable king who persecuted God's people foreshadows the Antichrist, who is to persecute the people of Christ. And so there are many of our viewpoint who think that Domitius Nero was the Antichrist because of his outstanding savagery and depravity." (St. Jerome - Commentary on Daniel; notes on Daniel 11:27-30, -- BAKER BOOK HOUSE Grand Rapids 6, Michigan 1958)

Some will suggest that the book of Revelation was written only for those living at the time, and that 666 most probably applies to Cæsar Nero, who ruled Rome from 54 to 68 A.D., rather than someone from latter centuries. This point of view, which suggests Revelation had an immediate application to the first century, is known as preterism. So, just how is Nero linked to 666?
Preterists take Nero's name, Nero Cæsar and transliterates the Latin into Hebrew.  An "n" is added to conform with the Hebrew spelling and usage of Nero's name, in a manner similar to the Greek adding an "s" (i.e., Jeremias, Jonas, etc.).  Other names in scripture where the adding of an "n" may be seen are Abaddon, Apollyon, and Armageddon.  Once Hebraicized,  the Latin Nero Caesar becomes "nrwn qsr," which when using the numeric equivalent of the letters, then adds up to 666 as follows:

An example of this spelling has been recently discovered in one of the Dead Sea scrolls. If you use the same process, but without the added "n" the result is 616. Interestingly, some early manuscripts have 616 rather than 666, but even scholars such as Irenæus [A.D. 120-202] attribute the 616 to only a copyist error (Against Heresies: V, xxx) "this number [666] being found in all the most approved and ancient copies" [of the Apocalypse] and asserts that "men who saw John face to face bearing their testimony" [to it - 666].

The Seventy Weeks of Daniel Nine
by Prof. David J. Engelsma
I. The Premillennial Interpretation

A. Who they are
  1. They are those who teach that in the near future Jesus will return to set up an earthly kingdom in Palestine for a thousand years.
  2. They teach that the literal nation of Israel will then accept Him and be His special people as they were in the Old Testament.
  3. They derive their name, premillennialists, from their doctrine of a literal millennium, before which the Lord returns (pre means “before;” millennium means “1,000 years” and is taken from Revelation 20).
B. They hold that the 70 weeks of Daniel 9, the whole prophecy, is exclusively for national Israel, the Jews
  1. Nothing here for the church at all.
  2. They appeal to the fact that it is “my people Israel” and literal Jerusalem that Daniel has been praying for.
  3. They point to verse 24, where “thy people” is literal Judah and “thy holy city” is Jerusalem.
C. They explain the 70 weeks as a definite period of time
  1. Not literal, for a literal interpretation would take the period as 490 days—a little more than a year.
  2. A week, in the prophecy, is a week of years, they say.
  3. 70 weeks, therefore, is 70 periods of 7 years, or 490 years.
D. Their breakdown of the 70 weeks, taken as 490 years
  1. The starting–point, according to the text, is the “going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem” (v. 25).

    a. Premillennialists differ as to when this is.

    b. Some say that it is Cyrus’ decree that Judah could return to Canaan; others refer to Darius’ permission to build the temple (cf. Ezra 6); others refer to Artaxerxes’ letter of Nehemiah 2:8.

    c. It is important to them to establish the starting–point exactly, so that their definite period of 490 years comes correctly.
  2. There are 69 weeks from that date to Messiah Prince (v. 25): “seven weeks and threescore and two weeks” = 69 weeks).

    a. On the basis of 1 week = 7 years, a period of 483 years.

    1) At this point, premillennialism has a problem and its attempt to solve the problem has resulted in many huge books of dates and numbers.

    2) The problem is that it is difficult to get 483 years between a command to rebuild Jerusalem and “Messiah.”

    a) Cyrus decreed Israel’s return in 537 B.C.—this is the best date for the going forth of a command to build Jerusalem, but it leaves too many years intervening before Messiah, and is therefore unacceptable to the premill.

    b) So, many date the period from 445 B.C., the date of the letter of Artaxerxes of Nehemiah 2; they then carry the 69 week-period (483 years, on their view) to some late (arbitrary) date in the life of Christ.

    c). This 69-week (or 483-year) period is divided into two parts, 7 weeks and 62 weeks (v. 25).

    1) The 7 weeks, or 49 years, is the time of the actual rebuilding of Jerusalem, ending, roughly, at the time of the conclusion of the Old Testament Bible.

    2) The 62 weeks, or 434 years, is the long period between the Testaments, up to some point in Christ’s life. (Some say His baptism; others, His triumphal entry.)

    3) It is their view of the 70th week, however, that is the most important aspect of the premill interpretation of the passage and that lies at the very heart of the premill doctrine of the last days.

    c. The last week, a definite period of 7 years, is still future.

    1) It does not follow the 69 weeks.

    2) Between the 69th week and the 70th week lies the nearly 2,000 years of our present age.

    3) In the future (from our standpoint), the 70th week of verse 27 will occur.

    a) At the end of the present age, the church will be raptured out of this world into the air and Antichrist will arise. (The “he” of verse 27 is supposed to refer to the Antichrist of the future.)

    b) For 3? years, or ? of the 70th week, he will make a covenant with Israel, restored to the “Holy Land” of Palestine.

    c) Suddenly, “in the midst of the week” (v. 27) he will begin persecuting Israel.

    d) For 3? years, national Israel is persecuted—this is supposed to be “the great tribulation” of the Bible.

    e) At the end of the 70th week, Jesus will return to destroy Antichrist, save Israel, and set up the millennial kingdom for 1,000 years, during which He reigns with national Israel from Palestine.

    f) The importance of this interpretation of the seventy weeks and especially, of the 70th week for premillennialism is evident: this gives them the huge gap (or parenthesis) between the first advent of Christ and the supposed period in the future when Christ shall deal again with national Israel, the gap during which Christ gathers a church.
II. The Correct, Scriptural Interpretation
A. In opposition to the premill view, there are two basic objections as a whole
  1. First, they can give no proof that the weeks are definite periods of 7 years each.

    a. Often, the premill is quite dogmatic about this, but wrongly.

    b. The fact is that nowhere in Scripture does the term week mean “7 years.”
  2. Secondly, the passage does not indicate in any way that the 70th week is separated from the preceding 69 by a huge span of time.

    a. If you think of it, this is a very bold bit of eisegesis (reading into a passage something that is not by any stretch of the imagination there).

    b. To be sure, the 70th week follows the 69th, but at once.
B. Positively, what the 70 weeks are
  1. Gabriel tells Daniel of one period of 70 weeks. Literally, it is 70 “sevens” (the Hebrew word for week). 70 is a symbolical number.
    1. The premill will object to our taking the number symbolically; he will insist that it be taken literally.

      1) Our reply to the premill is: “Do that. Take it literally. Then you have a period of 490 days.” But the premill does not want to take it literally, for he wants to make it 490 years.

      2) In addition, we point out that prophecy of the 70 weeks is given to Daniel as a vision (v. 23: “consider the vision”). A vision is characterised by symbolism.
    2. Seven is the number of the covenant of God with His people; 10 is the number of fullness. 70, therefore, symbolizes the fulfilment of the covenant of Jehovah, the covenant with Abraham and his seed.
    3. The 70 weeks are the period of time from the command to rebuild Jerusalem to Jesus Christ, as the period of the fulfilment of the covenant. In this period, the covenant (7) will be fulfilled (10).

      1) Understanding the70 weeks is not a matter of computing dates and figures.

      2) We are basically uninterested in juggling dates and figuring calendar years.

      3) That it happens to be about 575 years is irrelevant.
  1. This one period of 70 weeks ends in an event in which, according to verse 24, six things are realized, the finishing of transgression, etc.
 .         All of these occur during the first advent of Christ Jesus (from His Incarnation through His resurrection and ascension).
    1. The 70-week period terminates in the first advent of Christ, so that the whole period is from our standpoint past, not at all future.
  1. The breakdown of the 70 weeks in detail:
 .         The period begins with the going forth of a command to build Jerusalem (v. 25).

1) This is the decree of Cyrus that Judah may return to Canaan in 537 B.C.

2) See Isaiah 44:28 and Isaiah 45:13.

3) This was a crucial juncture in Israel’s history and a wonderful manifestation of God’s faithfulness.

a) Israel is desolate, doomed.

b) God then, amazingly, orders Cyrus to give Israel deliverance, life from the dead.
    1. 69 weeks takes us to Christ Jesus, “Messiah Prince” (v. 25).

      1) This period is divided into two parts: 7 weeks and 62 weeks.

      2) The 7 weeks are the period of the troublous building of Jerusalem.

      a) Under Zerubbabel, Ezra, Nehemiah.

      b) This takes us to about the time of the end of the Old Testament canon.

      3) The 62 weeks are the period between the testaments.

      4) The 69 weeks takes us up to “Messiah Prince.”

      a) The premills argue over which event in the life of Christ is meant.

      b) It is natural to understand verse 25 to refer to the coming of Messiah, that is, His birth.

      (1) When Jesus was born, “Messiah Prince” appeared.

      (2) “Where is he that is born King of the Jews?” the wise men asked, at the occasion of Jesus’ birth.

      c) The 69 weeks, therefore, extend from Cyrus’ decree to the birth of Jesus.
    2. Then, the 70th week follows, the “one week” of verse 27.

      1) It is the period of the life and work of Jesus Christ that belongs to His first advent, inclusive of the resurrection, ascension, and perhaps, the outpouring of the Spirit.

      2) The period of Jesus’ ministry was the 70th week, the period of the fulfilment of the covenant (7x10).
  1. Objections against this interpretation of the 70th week by the premill.
 .         Basically, there are two objections; both concern verses 26-27.
    1. First, the premill points out that Messiah is cut off after the 69th week (v. 26) and before the 70th week (v. 27): the same thing, he says, is true of the destruction of the city by the people of the prince.

      1) The latter, all agree, refers to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans under the general, Titus, in A.D. 70.

      2) The premill argues that both the death of Jesus and the destruction of Jerusalem occur before the 70th week, not in it, according to the passage.
    2. In close connection with this first objection, the premill maintains that verse 27 (“he shall confirm the covenant”) refers to the Antichrist and to a covenant which he will make with Israel at the end of the world, when the 70th week will finally come.
    3. Our answer to these objections:

      1) It is true that the death of Messiah comes after the 69th week (v.26); it is not the case however, that the text says that it occurred before the 70th week.

      2) The one who confirms the covenant in verse 27 is not Antichrist, but Christ: He does this, not in the future, but in the past (from our present standpoint).
  1. The truth of verses 26-27:
    1. The cutting off of Messiah and His having nothing (as it is in the original Hebrew) is the crucifixion of Jesus.
    2. This occurred in the 70th week, which 70th week is the “one week” of verse 27; it is exactly the death of Messiah that makes that week the 70th week, that is, the week of the fulfilment of God’s covenant.
    3. The first part of verse 27 refers to the Messiah, Jesus:

      1) The meaning of verse 27 will be clearer from a more faithful translation than that given in the King James version: “And he shall confirm the covenant with many, one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and upon the wing of abominations [is] the one making desolate and unto completion and it is determined it shall be poured out on the desolate.”

      2) It is Jesus the Messiah who confirms God’s covenant, “one week.”

      3) It is Jesus the Messiah who puts an end to all Old Testament sacrifices and oblations by His one sacrifice of Himself on the cross in the midst of the 70th week (cf. Heb. 10).

      4) If one asks concerning the rest of the 70th week, it is that which belongs to the first advent of Jesus following His death, namely, the period of His resurrection, ascension, and the outpouring of the Spirit at Pentecost. One could make a good case, on the basis of the passage, for the contention that the end of the 70th week is the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. It was then that the new covenant as the fulfilment of the old covenant was definitively manifested.
    4. Proof of this interpretation, as opposed to that of the premill:

      1) It is exegetically incorrect to make “he” in verse 27a to refer back to “prince” in verse 26, and thus to come to the conclusion that the reference is to Antichrist.

      a) The fact is that the subject of the phrase in verse 26 is not “the prince,” but “the people of the prince,” that is, the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem in A.D. 70.

      b) The one, main subject of the entire prophecy is “Messiah Prince” and it is, therefore, to Him that “he” refers in verse 27a.

      2) Verse 27 speaks of someone confirming a covenant.

      a) The premill explains this to mean that the Antichrist will, in the future, make a covenant with the nation Israel.

      b) But as the King James Version shows, verse 27 does not use the Hebrew word that means “make;” rather, it uses a word that means “to confirm;” the reference is not at all to the making of a new covenant but to the confirming of an already existing covenant.

      (1) Jesus, “Messiah Prince,” did exactly this by His first advent: He confirmed the covenant with many.

      (2) The covenant is God’s covenant with Abraham and Israel, the covenant Israel violated, as Daniel bitterly lamented in his prayer, the covenant which Daniel nevertheless besought God to keep.

      (3) Jesus did confirm this covenant by His death and in the conformation revealed it in its full reality as including not only the elect of the Jews but also of the Gentiles.
  1. In conclusion:
 .         The 70 weeks are fulfilled in the first advent of Jesus.
    1. The covenant of Jehovah has been confirmed—for the many elect of all nations.
    2. All of the blessings of the covenant, the benefits mentioned in verse 24, have been obtained by Messiah and are now freely dispensed to God’s people.
    3. We and all believers live in the enjoyment of that fulfilled covenant and its spiritual blessings, in the new dispensation.
III. Another Interpretation
Another interpretation of the 70 weeks given by some Reformed amillennialists is the following. The 70 weeks are the entire period from the command to build Jerusalem to the second advent of Christ, including the present age. From Cyrus’ decree to the first advent is 7 weeks; from the first advent to the appearance of Antichrist in the future is 62 weeks; the 70th week is the brief period in the future during which Antichrist will reign and which ends with Christ’s return. The interpretation is possible because of another possible reading of the last part of verse 25. It is possible to translate the last part of verse 25 as follows: “… unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks; and threescore and two weeks the street shall be built again” etc. According to this translation, the building of the street and the wall, during the 62 weeks, is symbolic of the gathering of the church in the new dispensation.

This interpretation is wrong for the following reasons:
  1. Like the view of the premills, this interpretation supposes that verse 27a (“he shall confirm the covenant”) refers to the Antichrist. Everything said above against the premill explanation of verse 27 holds against this explanation.
  2. It does injustice to the plain meaning of the last part of verse 25. By the building the street and the wall of Jerusalem in troubled times, Gabriel does not refer to the gathering of the church but to the literal rebuilding of Jerusalem after the return of Judah from captivity.
  3. The most serious and obvious error of this interpretation is its distortion of the statement in verse 26 that Messiah shall be cut off and have nothing. According to this interpretation, this has to be the destruction of the church by Antichrist at the end of the world (“after threescore and two weeks …”). In fact, the text is speaking of the cutting off of the Messiah personally, that is, Jesus’ death on the cross.
  4. The translation of verse 25 is correct as we have it in the King James Version.
I. The Premillennial Interpretation
II. The Correct, Scriptural Interpretation
As a country- we have a short attention span, and because of that the media can manipulate us.
As in the words of an advisor to the president on his passing of Obamacare ‘if the people weren’t so stupid- we would have never passed it’ [my paraphrase]
Or for a real time example- Bill Clinton just happened to bump into the attorney general at the airport.
So- let’s keep this short-
In Iraq you have a divided political party- sort of like the U.S.
The division is Sunni- Shiite.
Compare that to you- whether you are a Republican or Democrat.
Iraq had a leader- grant it- bad man- Saddam Hussein.
George Bush thought he had evidence the guy had chemical weapons [OH NO! THAT MIGHT BE A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRCUTION!]
So we started a war- and watched his opponents hang him in the streets.
Now- say if Putin decided Obama’s placing of more weapons/troops on Russia’s border- which we are indeed doing thru NATO.
And say if Russia decided to go to war with us- because of the threat he sees [like Bush saw] and say if they removed our president from office- and his enemies managed to try him- and have him executed.
Ok- no matter what side of the aisle you are on- I hope you would be against a foreign country making such a decision for us.
That’s what we did.
The new president of Iraq- Malaki- was a Shiite- and the others were Sunni.
This man arrested- imprisoned the ‘democrats’ [Sunni].
And went after his political opponents- just like if Russia backed a Dem- or Repub. - and the new leader actually went after- and imprisoned the kids of his political opposition.
So- the Sunni’s protested loudly ‘what the hell have you done- U.S. - our kids being jailed- the leaders who are on our side being imprisoned- and the cities we [Sunni] live in- are treated like trash- like we are now the enemy’.
Eventually one of these imprisoned ‘political’ opponent’s got out- and he was so pissed off-
He joined an extremist group- named Al-Qaida- and began fighting- for his own Sunni side- with anger.
His little movement spread north to Syria- and became known as ISIS.
Now- there's more to it- but like I said we have very short attention spans.
But you just got the jist of it- maybe for the first time.

TRANSGENDER- This has nothing to do with today’s message- but I have a few minutes- and thought I’d mention this.
Our military just made Transgender people- who serve- as a separate category.
Meaning- shared facilities [bathroom- etc.]
In the whole debate our country has been going thru- I heard the defense secretary [Carter] speak about how it’s 'the right thing to do’.
Gender is actually a term- it has an actual definition- and if we want to begin applying it to a group of people- then we need to re-define what we are talking about [for instance- if we had a phenomenon where people ‘felt’ like they had 3 arms- and over time we realized many people ‘felt’ this way- then would we define them as actually having 3 arms?]
The point being- gender is actually something you are born with ‘John- you are so insensitive by saying that’.
This is not meant to demean anyone- or discriminate- but the actual language we are using in this whole debate is wrong.
If we need to change the language- for example ‘transgender’ to something else [I feel like- and identify- as male- female] then the whole debate would make more sense.
But when Ash Carter says ‘it’s right to not discriminate against people who ‘transition’ between genders’- that’s not correct.
Everyone who identifies this way- beside the few who were born with both male and female genitalia- is actually not ‘trans gender’.
And it’s not discriminatory- in any way- to say that.
Just like it would not be wrong to say to a 2 armed person- who ‘identifies’ as having 3 arms- ‘look- you physically have only 2 arms’- even if you ‘feel’ like you have 3.
2Timothy 1:6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.
2Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
2Timothy 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
2Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
2Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
2Timothy 1:11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
2Timothy 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
2Timothy 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
2Timothy 1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
2Thessalonians 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
2Thessalonians 1:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
2Thessalonians 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Thessalonians 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

NEWS LINKS- Look at the headline- it makes you think the U.S. ship went up to the Russian one.
Why? Our allies in the region believe the U.S. is backing down to Russian aggression.
But the actual story/video is the Russian vessel was the aggressor- again.  I actually used to buy cigarettes here- I think the owners thought I was a narc- dressed in black- they see the fire dept. badge when I open my wallet- and just starting buying them this last year- on my way to visit David who lives in the area. I bet they are thinking ‘I knew that guy was a cop’!  Oh well. 
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John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

.See the quads
.it was a test
. ‘We don’t have enough money for the ministry Jesus’?
.What did Jesus do- multiply the money- or the bread?
.Don’t  leave the crumbs behind
.Nungesser’s bowling alley
.The acid trip
.Manna a sign
.A little Greek stuff
.Lake Geneva
.Florence- Italy
.Medici family
.Greek lexicon
.Proof texting a no no
.Hocus Pocus?
.Aldous Huxley
MY LINKS [verses below]

NEW STUFF- [past posts, verses below]
 Jesus feeds the people- how?
One night lots of the people who saw the miracles came to Jesus.
He says to his men ‘wow- it’s getting late- what shall we do- lots of people are coming’.
It was a test- to see how his men would react.
One says ‘it would take a lot of money- even 200 hundred ‘penny worth’ can’t feed them’.
His guys
2John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
3John 1:5 Beloved, thou doest faithfully whatsoever thou doest to the brethren, and to strangers;
3John 1:6 Which have borne witness of thy charity before the church: whom if thou bring forward on their journey after a godly sort, thou shalt do well:
3John 1:7 Because that for his name's sake they went forth, taking nothing of the Gentiles.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.  Rev.
According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 1st Cor. 3:10
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

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